TinaHashiRN said:The honest answer is that the effect is real, the magnitude is contested, and the individual variation is larger than either.
No disagreement, though it depends on where somebody is starting from, and this thread has been assuming a starting point nobody stated.
If somebody has the primary source to hand I would rather cite it than paraphrase it.
BenResearch_OR said:True, and anyone with reduced kidney function needs that target set by a clinician rather than a forum.
Genuinely useful, thank you. I had the facts and not the framework.
TinaHashiRN said:The honest answer is that the effect is real, the magnitude is contested, and the individual variation is larger than either.
I read this differently. The confidence in this thread is running ahead of the evidence, and I would rather the uncertainty were stated than smoothed over because it is unsatisfying.
I would rather be corrected than agreed with, if it comes to it.
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View ResultsAdding the numbers, since they settle part of this. The boring version of this is the one that works, and the boring version is: measure a baseline, change one variable, wait, measure again under the same conditions. Nobody wants that answer and it is still the answer.
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