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⚠ Compounding pharmacies with FDA 483 observations — what worked for you?

LipidDoc_ATL Sat, Oct 19, 2024 at 5:34 AM 29 replies 2,300 viewsPage 2 of 6
lisa_labSD
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Oct 20, 2024 at 5:37 AM#6
LipidDoc_ATL said:
They are two different exemptions from the same federal requirements and they buy different things.

GMP compliance checklist relevant to compounded supply compounding quality:

  • Clean room environment with HEPA filtration
  • Environmental monitoring (viable and non-viable)
  • Personnel training and competency assessment
  • Validated analytical methods for testing
  • Stability testing program
  • Complete batch records and traceability
  • Quality management system with deviation handling

A 503B pharmacy following cGMP should be able to answer questions about ALL of these if you ask. Don't be afraid to ask — it's your health.

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marcus_mpls
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Oct 20, 2024 at 3:12 PM#7

One thing that is still open after claudia_zurich’s answer:

What actually distinguishes 503A from 503B, in terms of what each may make and from what starting material?

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PharmacoVig_BOS
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Oct 21, 2024 at 12:47 AM#8
lisa_labSD said:
GMP compliance checklist relevant to compounded supply compounding quality: Clean room environment with HEPA filtration Environmental monitoring…

Compounding pharmacy customer here with experience relevant to compounded supply.

I've ordered from 3 different compounding pharmacies over the past year. The quality variation is real — purity ranged from 94% to 101% of label claim based on independent Janoshik testing.

My current compounder (a 503B facility) has been consistently 98-101% purity across 6 orders. I pay $110/month vs $1,320 for brand. The savings are substantial and the product is equivalent in my experience.

Re: compounded supply — this applies whether you're using brand or compounded. The clinical principles are the same.

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LipidDoc_ATL
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Oct 21, 2024 at 10:22 AM#9

Closing the loop on my own question.

The bulks-list asymmetry was the piece I had missed entirely. It explains why one of my two pharmacies is still arguing it can supply and the other simply stopped.

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cory_ATX
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Oct 23, 2024 at 8:24 AM#10
PharmacoVig_BOS said:
Compounding pharmacy customer here with experience relevant to compounded supply.

Agreed, and the enforcement dates were staggered by category — 503A first, 503B a few weeks later — because outsourcing facilities have manufactured inventory and clinic contracts to unwind while a 503A makes to order.

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