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My vendor just disappeared - took my money and ghosted — what worked for you?

emily_PDX Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 3:10 PM 39 replies 2,507 viewsPage 1 of 8
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emily_PDX
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Jul 9, 2024 at 3:10 PM#1

Posting this because the summary going around does not say what the paper says, and the difference matters for how people here are using it.

Prices dramatically below market are the strongest single signal, and the reason is arithmetic rather than suspicion. Synthesis, testing, and cold-chain shipping have floors. A price well under the floor means something was skipped, and the two things that get skipped are testing and content.

Where I think it is weakest: the comparator does most of the work in how this gets reported, and it is not the comparator most people think they are citing.

What I am after is how people are distinguishing a supplier having a bad batch from a supplier on the way out. Tell me what I have not thought of.

Note on sourcing:
Figures above are from the primary publication rather than the press summary. If a number here disagrees with one you have, post yours and we will work out which of us is reading a secondary source.
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Dr.MetabolicMD
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Jul 9, 2024 at 3:31 PM#2
emily_PDX said:
Prices dramatically below market are the strongest single signal, and the reason is arithmetic rather than suspicion.

That is correct as far as it goes, and here is where it stops going. The pattern that distinguishes a bad batch from an exit is behaviour rather than product. A bad batch comes with communication, a reshipment offer and a batch number. An exit comes with slower replies, pressure toward less reversible payment methods, sudden discounting, and the same reassurance repeated without any new information. The product tells you less than the correspondence does.

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Jul 9, 2024 at 3:52 PM#3
emily_PDX said:
Prices dramatically below market are the strongest single signal, and the reason is arithmetic rather than suspicion.

I disagree that testing history is decisive. It tells you what a supplier did when they were being watched. Continuity of behaviour under stress — a late shipment, a failed test, a complaint — is more predictive than any run of good results.

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Jul 9, 2024 at 4:13 PM#4

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. The useful checklist is about verifiability rather than presentation. Independent test results commissioned by buyers rather than by the seller, consistency across multiple batches over time rather than one flattering report, a physical address and a company registration that resolve, batch and lot numbers on the actual labelling, and a shipping practice that matches what the material needs. Everything a good-looking website provides is cheap to fake; none of the items above are.

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Jul 9, 2024 at 6:08 PM#5
Dr.MetabolicMD said:
The pattern that distinguishes a bad batch from an exit is behaviour rather than product.

This matches mine closely enough to be worth saying so out loud. I had assumed I was the exception until I read this.

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