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Dr.PainCLE
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May 16, 2024 at 1:12 PM#51

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads. There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.

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jason_paloalto
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May 17, 2024 at 6:10 PM#52
Dr.PainCLE said:
There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.

This is my experience too, for whatever a second data point is worth.

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May 18, 2024 at 11:07 PM#53
Dr.PainCLE said:
There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.

There is a second half to this that has not been said yet. It is worth asking what the claim would look like if it were false. If nothing would look different, it is not a claim about the world and no amount of discussion will settle it.

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May 20, 2024 at 4:03 AM#54

One concrete data point for the thread. Give anything pharmacological four weeks before you judge it, and give anything measured weekly a four-point rolling average before you call it a trend.

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May 21, 2024 at 8:59 AM#55

A narrower follow-up, since the general answer is now clear:

What did you change at the same time, and can you separate the two now?

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