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Metabolic syndrome reversal — need advice

TirzTom Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 12:31 PM 37 replies 2,432 viewsPage 1 of 8
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Jul 9, 2024 at 12:31 PM#1

This gets cited here weekly, usually second-hand, so it is worth setting out what it does and does not establish.

HbA1c reflects roughly three months of average glycaemia weighted toward the most recent weeks, which is why repeating it at six weeks tells you very little. The improvement on this class comes from two directions — direct glucose-dependent insulin secretion and glucagon suppression, plus the indirect effect of weight loss on insulin sensitivity — and the second continues after the first has plateaued.

Where I think it is weakest: the subgroup findings are the part I trust least — with enough subgroups something is always significant, and these were not all pre-registered.

The bit I cannot resolve on my own is why A1C lags the way it does, and what to look at in the meantime if you want to know sooner. Tell me what I have not thought of.

Note on sourcing:
Figures above are from the primary publication rather than the press summary. If a number here disagrees with one you have, post yours and we will work out which of us is reading a secondary source.
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Jul 9, 2024 at 1:32 PM#2
TirzTom said:
HbA1c reflects roughly three months of average glycaemia weighted toward the most recent weeks, which is why repeating it at six weeks tells you very…

My labs after 6 months on glycaemic control: A1C 5.0%, fasting glucose 80 mg/dL, fasting insulin 7 uIU/mL. My endo says these are "textbook perfect."

For context, my baseline A1C was 7.5% and fasting glucose was 125 mg/dL. The improvement has been dramatic and consistent.

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Jul 9, 2024 at 2:33 PM#3
TirzTom said:
HbA1c reflects roughly three months of average glycaemia weighted toward the most recent weeks, which is why repeating it at six weeks tells you very…

Patient selection optimization for glycaemic control: emerging predictive biomarkers for GLP-1 agonist response include:

BiomarkerAssociationEvidence Level
Baseline BMIHigher BMI → greater absolute weight lossStrong
Fasting insulinHigher insulin → better responseModerate
GLP1R gene variantsrs6923761 → variable responsePreliminary
Baseline hsCRPHigher CRP → greater CV benefitModerate
Early weight loss (4 wk)≥3% at 4 wks → strong predictor of ≥10% at 68 wksStrong

The 4-week early responder criterion is the most clinically actionable: if you haven't lost ≥3% by week 4 at a therapeutic dose, discuss optimization strategies with your provider.

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Jul 9, 2024 at 3:34 PM#4
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Patient selection optimization for glycaemic control: emerging predictive biomarkers for GLP-1 agonist response include: Biomarker Association…

Complete metabolic panel trending on glycaemic control — sharing because comprehensive data helps everyone:

TestBaselineMonth 3Month 6Month 12
Glucose (fasting)1231099187
Insulin (fasting)1917117
HOMA-IR5.53.91.91.2
Uric Acid8.66.35.84.9

The insulin resistance improvement (HOMA-IR) is what my endo focuses on most. Going from 5.5 to near 1.0 is a metabolic transformation.

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Jul 9, 2024 at 9:24 PM#5
Dr.CardioMD said:
My labs after 6 months on glycaemic control: A1C 5.0%, fasting glucose 80 mg/dL, fasting insulin 7 uIU/mL.

Mine went the same way, slower.

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