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Anyone else hate injection day? Just me? — looking for input

Dr.CardioMD Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 7:00 AM 13 replies 1,951 viewsPage 2 of 3
RetaRick_CA
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Nov 13, 2024 at 6:00 AM#6
LipidDoc_ATL said:
Relative and absolute effects need reading together.

Filing a mild objection. Mild because I might be wrong; an objection because nobody has addressed the case that does not fit. I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them. The results probably generalise, and "probably" should be stated as an assumption rather than dropped.

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Nov 13, 2024 at 3:09 PM#7
Dr.CardioMD said:
My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my…

Propensity score matching studies and the trial evidence: when RCTs aren't available for a specific question, propensity score-matched observational studies can provide useful evidence.

A recent PSM study of 18,000 GLP-1 users vs matched controls showed reduced stroke risk (HR 0.82) over 4 years of follow-up[1].

These results complement the RCT data and suggest the benefits translate to real-world populations.

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[1] Registry-based cohort study, pre-print 2024.
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Nov 14, 2024 at 12:17 AM#8
RetaRick_CA said:
I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them.
RetaRick_CA said:
...regarding the trial evidence...

I think this is an underappreciated point. To expand on it with some data:

A recent meta-analysis of 12 RCTs (n=8,400) found that the trial evidence was associated with a significant effect size across diverse patient populations[1].

The NNT was 8, which is comparable to antihypertensives for stroke reduction. That's a strong clinical argument for this approach.

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Nov 14, 2024 at 9:25 AM#9

One thing that is still open after paige_pharma’s answer:

How would you tell the difference between that and the alternative explanation?

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Nov 16, 2024 at 5:16 AM#10

Closing the loop on my own question.

Update — my curve sits below the published mean and the explanation is that the trial arm had support I do not have. That was reassuring rather than otherwise.

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