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Comparative pharmacokinetics: semaglutide vs tirzepatide vs retatrutide — need advice

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LipidDoc_ATL
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Jul 24, 2024 at 1:36 AM#16

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

PK/PD modeling for the pharmacology: understanding the pharmacokinetics helps optimize dosing. Semaglutide:

  • Tmax: 24-72 hours post-injection
  • T½: ~168 hours (7 days) — enables weekly dosing
  • Steady state: reached at 4-5 weeks
  • Bioavailability (SubQ): ~89%
  • Volume of distribution: ~12.5L (primarily plasma)

The albumin binding (>99%) is the key pharmacological innovation — creating a sustained-release effect from a single injection. Previous GLP-1 agonists (exenatide) required BID dosing due to rapid clearance.

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Jul 24, 2024 at 5:50 AM#17
LipidDoc_ATL said:
PK/PD modeling for the pharmacology: understanding the pharmacokinetics helps optimize dosing.

Agreed, though "tolerable" needs defining. A dose you tolerate by eating almost nothing is not tolerated, it is being paid for somewhere else — usually in lean mass, sometimes in adherence three months later.

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Jul 24, 2024 at 10:04 AM#18
LipidDoc_ATL said:
PK/PD modeling for the pharmacology: understanding the pharmacokinetics helps optimize dosing.

There is a second half to this that has not been said yet. Albumin binding above 99% is the whole reason weekly dosing works, and it is also why the trough matters more than the peak. People who dose late are not losing a peak, they are letting the trough fall, and the appetite effect tracks the trough.

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Jul 24, 2024 at 2:18 PM#19

The figures, for anyone assembling their own picture. Worth knowing that the injection site changes very little. Abdomen, thigh and upper arm are bioequivalent for semaglutide, so a site change is not a plausible explanation for a bad week.

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Jul 24, 2024 at 6:32 PM#20

Moderator note: leaving this open. It is being argued well and the disagreement is the useful part. Thread quality here is what the rules are for. Keep it up.

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