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Community poll: What medication are you currently on? — anyone have experience?

mia_MS2 Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 4:56 AM 9 replies 2,155 viewsPage 2 of 2
CarlaRPh_TPA
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Jan 25, 2024 at 12:39 AM#6
sarah.morrison said:
The gap between trial results and real-world results is consistent and it is not fraud.

Filing a mild objection. Mild because I might be wrong; an objection because nobody has addressed the case that does not fit. I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them. The results probably generalise, and "probably" should be stated as an assumption rather than dropped.

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Jan 25, 2024 at 8:28 AM#7
mia_MS2 said:
My own curve sits about four points below the published mean and I spent two months assuming that meant something was wrong with me or with my…
mia_MS2 said:
...regarding the trial evidence...

I think this is an underappreciated point. To expand on it with some data:

A recent meta-analysis of 18 RCTs (n=15,600) found that the trial evidence was associated with a robust effect size across diverse patient populations[1].

The NNT was 15, which is comparable to metformin for T2DM prevention. That's a strong clinical argument for this approach.

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Jan 25, 2024 at 4:17 PM#8
CarlaRPh_TPA said:
I would add the less popular caveat: these trial populations under-represented several groups, older adults and the highest BMI categories among them.

Bayesian meta-analysis perspective on the trial evidence: traditional frequentist meta-analyses report point estimates and confidence intervals. Bayesian approaches provide probability distributions that are more intuitive for clinical decision-making.

For example: "There is a 98.5% probability that semaglutide 2.4mg produces >10% weight loss vs placebo" is more actionable than "RR 3.4, 95% CI 2.8-4.1, p<0.001."

The the trial evidence evidence is strong under both frameworks, but Bayesian analysis better communicates the degree of certainty for individual patient counseling.

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Jan 26, 2024 at 12:06 AM#9

A narrower follow-up, since the general answer is now clear:

What would you measure differently if you were starting again?

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mia_MS2
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Jan 27, 2024 at 1:37 PM#10

Reporting back.

Follow-up: I read the paper rather than the summary and the qualifier I was missing was in the second paragraph of the results.

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