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Triple agonist side effect profile — my results so far

lisa_labSD Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 7:26 PM 30 replies 2,203 viewsPage 1 of 6
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lisa_labSD
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Jan 31, 2025 at 7:26 PM#1

Reading the retatrutide phase 2 data properly rather than the headline, and the 24% figure is doing a lot of work that the confidence interval does not support as firmly as people think.

The narrow version of the question is why adding glucagon agonism to an anti-obesity drug is not self-defeating, given that glucagon raises blood glucose.

I would rather have one careful answer than five confident ones.

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Jan 31, 2025 at 7:52 PM#2

Short answer first, then the reasoning. It helps to say which part of this you are uncertain about. A precise question gets a precise answer; a general one gets everybody’s favourite anecdote.

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Jan 31, 2025 at 8:18 PM#3
Dr.BariatricHTX said:
It helps to say which part of this you are uncertain about.

That is correct as far as it goes, and here is where it stops going. The glucagon component looks paradoxical and is not. Glucagon receptor agonism raises energy expenditure and drives hepatic fatty-acid oxidation, and its hyperglycaemic tendency is offset by the GLP-1 arm's insulin secretagogue effect. Net result: intake down from GLP-1/GIP, expenditure up from glucagon, glycaemia neutral or improved. It is a balancing act, and it is why the liver-fat results are the most interesting part of the dataset.

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Jan 31, 2025 at 8:44 PM#4
lisa_labSD said:
Reading the retatrutide phase 2 data properly rather than the headline, and the 24% figure is doing a lot of work that the confidence interval does…

Second this. Posting only so the count is not one.

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Jan 31, 2025 at 11:07 PM#5

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads. Take it one variable at a time. Almost every unanswerable question in these threads is unanswerable because three things changed in the same fortnight, and no amount of subsequent argument can untangle them after the fact.

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