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24% weight loss number blew my mind - please be real — my results so far

ingrid_STO Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 4:02 AM 44 replies 2,496 viewsPage 1 of 9
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ingrid_STO
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Oct 31, 2024 at 4:02 AM#1

Reading the retatrutide phase 2 data properly rather than the headline, and the 24% figure is doing a lot of work that the confidence interval does not support as firmly as people think.

What I actually want to know is why adding glucagon agonism to an anti-obesity drug is not self-defeating, given that glucagon raises blood glucose.

I would rather have one careful answer than five confident ones.

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Oct 31, 2024 at 6:11 AM#2

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. Order of operations matters more than any single choice here: establish a baseline, change one thing, wait long enough for it to express itself, then measure again under the same conditions.

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Oct 31, 2024 at 8:20 AM#3
HPLC_Greg said:
Order of operations matters more than any single choice here: establish a baseline, change one thing, wait long enough for it to express itself, then…

No disagreement with HPLC_Greg. One condition attached. The phase 2 numbers were about 24% mean weight loss at 48 weeks on the top dose, with the curve still descending at the end of the study. A curve that has not flattened is a real finding, but it also means the true plateau is unknown, and phase 2 populations are small and selected.

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Oct 31, 2024 at 10:29 AM#4
ingrid_STO said:
Reading the retatrutide phase 2 data properly rather than the headline, and the 24% figure is doing a lot of work that the confidence interval does…

This is my experience too, for whatever a second data point is worth. Nothing to add that would improve it.

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Oct 31, 2024 at 11:19 PM#5

From the other side of the consultation, briefly. The mechanism and the magnitude are separate questions. Agreeing that something happens says nothing about whether it happens enough to act on.

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