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Patient preference: weekly injection vs potential monthly depot — July 2024

Dr.PainCLE Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:16 AM 15 replies 2,193 viewsPage 1 of 3
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Dr.PainCLE
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Jan 9, 2024 at 8:16 AM#1

Reading the retatrutide phase 2 data properly rather than the headline, and the 24% figure is doing a lot of work that the confidence interval does not support as firmly as people think.

What I am after is what the phase 2 dropout pattern implies about how the phase 3 tolerability will read.

Happy to be told the question itself is wrong.

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PharmacoVig_BOS
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Jan 9, 2024 at 10:34 AM#2

Answering the narrow version, because the broad one does not have a single answer. It is worth asking what the claim would look like if it were false. If nothing would look different, it is not a claim about the world and no amount of discussion will settle it.

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Jan 9, 2024 at 12:52 PM#3
PharmacoVig_BOS said:
It is worth asking what the claim would look like if it were false.

Agreeing with PharmacoVig_BOS, and the qualification matters more than the agreement. The glucagon component looks paradoxical and is not. Glucagon receptor agonism raises energy expenditure and drives hepatic fatty-acid oxidation, and its hyperglycaemic tendency is offset by the GLP-1 arm's insulin secretagogue effect. Net result: intake down from GLP-1/GIP, expenditure up from glucagon, glycaemia neutral or improved. It is a balancing act, and it is why the liver-fat results are the most interesting part of the dataset.

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Jan 9, 2024 at 3:10 PM#4
Dr.PainCLE said:
Reading the retatrutide phase 2 data properly rather than the headline, and the 24% figure is doing a lot of work that the confidence interval does…

This matches mine closely enough to be worth saying so out loud. The detail I would add is minor and it is already implied above.

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Jan 10, 2024 at 4:53 AM#5

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads. Start from the measurement rather than the conclusion. Almost every disagreement here turns out to be two people measuring different things and comparing the numbers anyway.

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