A reference post rather than a discussion. Corrections are the point; I would rather this be right than mine. It is about the pharmacology, and it is deliberately narrow — everything I am not confident about is marked as such.
The pharmacokinetics explain nearly every practical question asked here. Albumin binding above 99% slows clearance enough to make weekly dosing possible; a terminal half-life near a week means four to five weeks to steady state and therefore a four-week titration interval; subcutaneous bioavailability around 89% means injection site barely matters. Those three facts answer most timing questions before they are asked.
The adaptation point cuts both ways: tachyphylaxis to gastric emptying is why tolerability improves, and it is also why people who were relying on physical fullness feel the effect fade while the appetite effect is still working.
Numbers worth memorising for this class: Tmax one to three days for the weekly peptides, terminal half-life about a week for semaglutide and about five days for tirzepatide, steady state at four to five half-lives, subcutaneous bioavailability high enough that site choice is irrelevant.
What I am after is which effects tachyphylax and which persist, because the answer explains why tolerability improves while the appetite effect keeps working. I would rather have one careful answer than five confident ones.
SarahChen_PharmD said:The pharmacokinetics explain nearly every practical question asked here.
That holds for the injectable. The oral formulation has different absorption behaviour and the dose numbers are not interchangeable, which is worth saying out loud because people quote them as if they were.
SarahChen_PharmD said:The pharmacokinetics explain nearly every practical question asked here.
Pushing back on SarahChen_PharmD here. The mechanism is more central than most summaries suggest. Receptor agonism in the arcuate nucleus activates POMC neurons and inhibits AgRP/NPY signalling, and the downstream MC4R pathway is the same one disrupted in monogenic obesity — convergent genetic evidence that the target is the right one. Peripherally there is glucose-dependent insulin secretion, glucagon suppression and delayed gastric emptying, but the gastric component largely adapts over months while the central effect persists, which is why the durable effect is appetite rather than fullness.
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Browse GL BiochemThis one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. Albumin binding above 99% is the whole reason weekly dosing works, and it is also why the trough matters more than the peak. People who dose late are not losing a peak, they are letting the trough fall, and the appetite effect tracks the trough.
I would rather be corrected than agreed with, if it comes to it.
InsuranceTom said:The oral formulation has different absorption behaviour and the dose numbers are not interchangeable, which is worth saying out loud because people…
Agreed, though "tolerable" needs defining. A dose you tolerate by eating almost nothing is not tolerated, it is being paid for somewhere else — usually in lean mass, sometimes in adherence three months later.