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Liver biopsy changes on semaglutide — looking for input

Dr.GutHealth Sat, Oct 19, 2024 at 8:18 AM 29 replies 2,184 viewsPage 6 of 6
RunnerRach
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Nov 10, 2024 at 9:12 AM#26
PharmHunterJen said:
Start from the measurement rather than the conclusion.

Adding the part of the answer the thread has not reached. There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.

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Nov 12, 2024 at 6:50 PM#27

The figures, for anyone assembling their own picture. If you are going to change something, change one thing and give it long enough to express itself. Four weeks is the usual minimum for anything pharmacological on this board, and two weeks of data has told you almost nothing.

Worth separating that from liver and MASH, which this thread keeps folding into the same question. They behave differently and the advice does not transfer.

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Nov 15, 2024 at 4:29 AM#28

One thing that is still open after PharmHunterJen’s answer:

What the dose-response curve actually looks like above 1.7mg, because the trial means hide how few people account for the extra loss?

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Nov 17, 2024 at 2:09 PM#29
BethLabQueen said:
If you are going to change something, change one thing and give it long enough to express itself.

This is where I part company with the consensus forming above. I would resist the confidence. Half of what this board was certain about two years ago has since been quietly dropped, and nobody went back to correct the threads.

If somebody has the primary source to hand I would rather cite it than paraphrase it.

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Nov 19, 2024 at 11:51 PM#30

OP back with an update, since a thread like this is useless without one.

Following this thread I went back and re-read the extension data properly. The point about trough rather than peak explains the pattern I was seeing on day six, which I had been blaming on the vial.

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