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COA red flag compilation — what worked for you?

PharmD_Rodriguez Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 6:03 PM 28 replies 1,920 viewsPage 1 of 6
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PharmD_Rodriguez
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Jan 20, 2025 at 6:03 PM#1

This gets cited here weekly, usually second-hand, so it is worth setting out what it does and does not establish.

The useful checklist is about verifiability rather than presentation. Independent test results commissioned by buyers rather than by the seller, consistency across multiple batches over time rather than one flattering report, a physical address and a company registration that resolve, batch and lot numbers on the actual labelling, and a shipping practice that matches what the material needs. Everything a good-looking website provides is cheap to fake; none of the items above are.

Where I think it is weakest: the population was selected and supported in ways a real cohort is not, so I would read the effect size as a ceiling rather than an expectation.

What I am trying to establish is how people are distinguishing a supplier having a bad batch from a supplier on the way out. Not looking for reassurance. Looking for the part I have got wrong.

Note on sourcing:
Figures above are from the primary publication rather than the press summary. If a number here disagrees with one you have, post yours and we will work out which of us is reading a secondary source.
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Jan 20, 2025 at 7:36 PM#2
PharmD_Rodriguez said:
The useful checklist is about verifiability rather than presentation.

Agreeing with PharmD_Rodriguez, and the qualification matters more than the agreement. Prices dramatically below market are the strongest single signal, and the reason is arithmetic rather than suspicion. Synthesis, testing, and cold-chain shipping have floors. A price well under the floor means something was skipped, and the two things that get skipped are testing and content.

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Jan 20, 2025 at 9:09 PM#3
PharmD_Rodriguez said:
The useful checklist is about verifiability rather than presentation.

I disagree that testing history is decisive. It tells you what a supplier did when they were being watched. Continuity of behaviour under stress — a late shipment, a failed test, a complaint — is more predictive than any run of good results.

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Jan 20, 2025 at 10:42 PM#4

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. The pattern that distinguishes a bad batch from an exit is behaviour rather than product. A bad batch comes with communication, a reshipment offer and a batch number. An exit comes with slower replies, pressure toward less reversible payment methods, sudden discounting, and the same reassurance repeated without any new information. The product tells you less than the correspondence does.

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Jan 21, 2025 at 7:43 AM#5
Dr.SleepRoch said:
Prices dramatically below market are the strongest single signal, and the reason is arithmetic rather than suspicion.

Agreed, and mass spec answers a question purity does not: identity. High purity tells you one thing dominates the chromatogram, not that it is the molecule you ordered. A mass within about a dalton of expected is the identity check.

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