stefan_berlin said:

Say what you would expect to see if you were wrong, before you look.

No disagreement, though the timescale matters more than the mechanism here. Most of what looks like a difference in kind turns out to be a difference in how long somebody waited.

Happy to go further on any of that.

stefan_berlin said:

Say what you would expect to see if you were wrong, before you look.

Thank you — that is the clearest version of this I have read, and I have read a lot of them. Taking it to my next appointment.

From the other side of the consultation, briefly. The useful move here is to separate what is established from what is widely repeated. Those two sets overlap less than the confident tone of most write-ups suggests, and the second set is where nearly all the disagreement on this board comes from.

TrialNerd_Beth said:

The useful move here is to separate what is established from what is widely repeated.

Adding a me-too, because a thread of one person's experience is not much use. I had assumed I was the exception until I read this.

TrialNerd_Beth said:

The useful move here is to separate what is established from what is widely repeated.

Coming at TrialNerd_Beth’s question from a different direction. It helps to say which part of this you are uncertain about. A precise question gets a precise answer; a general one gets everybody’s favourite anecdote.