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GLP-1 and beta-cell preservation — looking for input

steph_laguna Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 6:17 AM 52 replies 2,916 viewsPage 1 of 11
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steph_laguna
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Oct 31, 2024 at 6:17 AM#1

A1C went from 7.4 to 5.6 over nine months and my prescriber was more interested in the fasting insulin, which I did not expect.

What I am after is why A1C lags the way it does, and what to look at in the meantime if you want to know sooner.

Practical detail welcome, however dull — the duller the better.

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Dr.NateNeph
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Oct 31, 2024 at 6:24 AM#2
steph_laguna said:
A1C went from 7.4 to 5.6 over nine months and my prescriber was more interested in the fasting insulin, which I did not expect.

Fasting insulin is the lab my functional medicine doctor cares about most for glycaemic control: it's a much earlier marker of metabolic dysfunction than glucose or A1C.

My fasting insulin: 23 → 15 → 7 uIU/mL over 9 months. Target is <7. By the time your fasting glucose is elevated, your insulin has been elevated for YEARS trying to compensate.

Ask your doctor to include fasting insulin in your bloodwork panel. It's cheap (~$20) and incredibly informative.

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Oct 31, 2024 at 6:31 AM#3
Dr.NateNeph said:
Fasting insulin is the lab my functional medicine doctor cares about most for glycaemic control: it's a much earlier marker of metabolic dysfunction…

Patient selection optimization for glycaemic control: emerging predictive biomarkers for GLP-1 agonist response include:

BiomarkerAssociationEvidence Level
Baseline BMIHigher BMI → greater absolute weight lossStrong
Fasting insulinHigher insulin → better responseModerate
GLP1R gene variantsrs6923761 → variable responsePreliminary
Baseline hsCRPHigher CRP → greater CV benefitModerate
Early weight loss (4 wk)≥3% at 4 wks → strong predictor of ≥10% at 68 wksStrong

The 4-week early responder criterion is the most clinically actionable: if you haven't lost ≥3% by week 4 at a therapeutic dose, discuss optimization strategies with your provider.

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Oct 31, 2024 at 6:38 AM#4
steph_laguna said:
A1C went from 7.4 to 5.6 over nine months and my prescriber was more interested in the fasting insulin, which I did not expect.

Same experience, arrived at from the opposite direction.

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Oct 31, 2024 at 7:14 AM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

Insulin sensitivity test (HOMA-IR) on glycaemic control — arguably the most important metabolic marker most people aren't tracking:

HOMA-IR = (fasting insulin × fasting glucose) ÷ 405

My numbers: Baseline HOMA-IR = 4.9 (insulin resistant) → Current = 1.5 (insulin sensitive)

Anything above 2.0 indicates insulin resistance. The goal is below 1.5. GLP-1 agonists address the root metabolic dysfunction, not just the symptoms. This is why they work so much better than calorie restriction alone.

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