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Is there a simple version of how sema vs tirz are different — anyone have experience?

tyler_CSCS Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 6:23 PM 61 replies 3,286 viewsPage 2 of 13
Dr.RenalNash
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Apr 5, 2024 at 5:19 AM#6
Dr.MetabolicMD said:
PK/PD modeling for the pharmacology: understanding the pharmacokinetics helps optimize dosing.

Semaglutide structural biology relevant to the pharmacology: semaglutide is a 31-amino acid peptide with 94% homology to native GLP-1(7-36). Three key modifications enable its pharmacokinetic profile:

  1. Aib8 substitution: DPP-4 resistance (prevents enzymatic degradation)
  2. Arg34 substitution: improved chemical stability
  3. C18 fatty diacid at Lys26: albumin binding → long half-life

These three modifications transform a peptide with a 2-minute half-life (native GLP-1) into one with a 168-hour half-life (semaglutide). A masterclass in peptide engineering.

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Apr 5, 2024 at 9:38 AM#7
tyler_CSCS said:
I went looking for why the dosing schedule is what it is and found that almost every practical question on this board has a pharmacokinetic answer…

Pharmacist here. I want to add the drug interaction perspective on the pharmacology.

Key points from a pharmacokinetic standpoint:

  • GLP-1 agonists delay gastric emptying, which can affect Tmax of co-administered oral medications
  • Monitor patients on warfarin (INR), levothyroxine (TSH), and oral contraceptives during dose titration
  • The albumin-binding mechanism of semaglutide (C-18 fatty acid linker) gives it the ~168-hour half-life that enables weekly dosing
  • Steady state is reached at approximately 4-5 weeks after dose initiation or adjustment

Re: the pharmacology specifically — the pharmacology here is well-characterized and the clinical implications are straightforward.

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Apr 5, 2024 at 1:57 PM#8
Dr.RenalNash said:
Semaglutide structural biology relevant to the pharmacology: semaglutide is a 31-amino acid peptide with 94% homology to native GLP-1(7-36).

Receptor pharmacology relevant to the pharmacology: semaglutide is a GLP-1R agonist with a C-18 fatty acid chain that enables albumin binding (>99%), creating a depot effect with a ~168-hour half-life enabling weekly dosing[1].

Tirzepatide is a dual GIP/GLP-1R agonist with higher GIP affinity (5:1 GIP:GLP-1 potency ratio). The GIP component may enhance beta-cell function and adipocyte lipid metabolism beyond what GLP-1 alone achieves.

For the pharmacology, the pharmacology explains the clinical differences between these agents.

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[1] Lau J, et al. J Med Chem. 2015;58(18):7370-7380.
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Apr 5, 2024 at 6:16 PM#9

Following on from NeuroNate — and this may be the naive question:

Did your prescriber agree with that reading, and if not what was their objection?

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Apr 6, 2024 at 2:56 PM#10

OP back with an update, since a thread like this is useless without one.

Update — tachyphylaxis to the gastric effect, persistence of the appetite effect. Two curves, and I had been watching the wrong one.

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