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Has anyone dealt with rybelsus 14mg real-world experience thread?

laura_annarbor Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 8:18 PM 29 replies 2,364 viewsPage 1 of 6
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laura_annarbor
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Mar 21, 2024 at 8:18 PM#1

Putting this up for argument rather than for agreement. I have read it twice and I am still not certain what it supports.

Oral semaglutide is absorbed in the stomach with the help of SNAC, which locally raises pH and protects the peptide long enough to cross. That mechanism is fragile: bioavailability is roughly 1% and highly sensitive to gastric contents, so a mouthful of coffee genuinely changes the exposure. This is why the label wants 30 minutes and no more than half a glass of plain water.

Where I think it is weakest: the completion rate deserves as much attention as the headline, because a large effect among those who finished is a different claim from a large effect among those enrolled.

The question I want answered is whether the fasting requirement is as strict in practice as the label implies, and what people actually see when they get it wrong. Numbers rather than impressions, if you have them.

Note on sourcing:
Figures above are from the primary publication rather than the press summary. If a number here disagrees with one you have, post yours and we will work out which of us is reading a secondary source.
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Mar 21, 2024 at 8:49 PM#2
laura_annarbor said:
Oral semaglutide is absorbed in the stomach with the help of SNAC, which locally raises pH and protects the peptide long enough to cross.

laura_annarbor has the substance of this right. The condition it depends on is worth stating. Orforglipron is the more interesting oral story because it is not a peptide at all. Being a small molecule it does not need SNAC, does not need the fasting window, and has oral bioavailability in the tens of percent rather than about one.

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Mar 21, 2024 at 9:20 PM#3
laura_annarbor said:
Oral semaglutide is absorbed in the stomach with the help of SNAC, which locally raises pH and protects the peptide long enough to cross.

I do not accept that the fasting window is a minor inconvenience. Adherence data on daily orals with timing requirements is consistently worse than weekly injections, and a drug you take imperfectly is a lower dose than the one on the box.

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Mar 21, 2024 at 9:51 PM#4

Short answer first, then the reasoning. The OASIS programme put 50mg oral in the same territory as 2.4mg injectable — around 15% mean weight loss — but it needed a dose 20 times larger to get there because almost none of the tablet is absorbed. The dose numbers are not comparable across routes and quoting them side by side confuses people.

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Mar 22, 2024 at 12:42 AM#5
SarahChen_PharmD said:
Orforglipron is the more interesting oral story because it is not a peptide at all.

Agreed, and subgroup analyses deserve particular suspicion. With enough subgroups something is significant by chance, and pre-registered subgroups are a different animal from ones found afterwards.

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