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Blood pressure went from scary to perfect - anyone else? — anyone have experience?

SallyK_inj Mon, Jul 21, 2025 at 4:58 AM 9 replies 1,317 viewsPage 1 of 2
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SallyK_inj
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Jul 21, 2025 at 4:58 AM#1

My reason for being on this is cardiovascular rather than cosmetic, which puts me in a small minority in most of these threads.

Relative versus absolute is the distinction that gets lost: a 20% relative reduction on a high baseline risk is a large absolute benefit, and the same relative figure on a low baseline risk is a small one.

The question I want answered is how much of the SELECT benefit is plausibly independent of the weight loss, and whether that distinction changes anything practical.

I would rather have one careful answer than five confident ones.

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Jul 21, 2025 at 5:12 AM#2
SallyK_inj said:
My reason for being on this is cardiovascular rather than cosmetic, which puts me in a small minority in most of these threads.

NNT calculation for cardiovascular risk clinical endpoints: NNT = 1/ARR (absolute risk reduction).

From SELECT trial: MACE at 39 months — 6.5% semaglutide vs 8.0% placebo. ARR = 1.5%. NNT = 67 over 3.3 years.

Compare to established therapies:

InterventionNNTTimeframe
Semaglutide (MACE)673.3 years
Statins primary prevention (MI)~1005 years
Aspirin secondary prevention~772 years

These NNTs are clinically meaningful and comparable to accepted cardiovascular interventions.

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Jul 21, 2025 at 5:26 AM#3
amsterdam_pete said:
NNT calculation for cardiovascular risk clinical endpoints: NNT = 1/ARR (absolute risk reduction).

SUSTAIN-6 was the first CVOT to show cardiovascular benefit with semaglutide, relevant to cardiovascular risk. In 3,297 T2DM patients with high CV risk: MACE HR 0.74 (95% CI 0.58-0.95, p=0.02)[1].

Notable: the retinopathy signal in SUSTAIN-6 (HR 1.76) was subsequently attributed to rapid A1C reduction in patients with pre-existing retinopathy — not a direct drug effect. This has been confirmed in longer-term follow-up studies.

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[1] Marso SP, et al. N Engl J Med. 2016;375(19):1834-1844.
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Jul 21, 2025 at 5:40 AM#4
SallyK_inj said:
My reason for being on this is cardiovascular rather than cosmetic, which puts me in a small minority in most of these threads.

This matches mine closely enough to be worth saying so out loud. The detail I would add is minor and it is already implied above.

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Jul 21, 2025 at 6:54 AM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

Cardiac biomarkers and cardiovascular risk: my cardiologist ordered advanced cardiac labs given my family history. Results were encouraging:

  • NT-proBNP: 48 pg/mL (normal, cardiac function preserved)
  • Lp(a): 38 nmol/L (genetic, unchanged — expected)
  • ApoB: dropped from 153 to 88 mg/dL (excellent response)
  • Coronary calcium score: 0 (unchanged from baseline — reassuring)

The ApoB reduction is particularly meaningful — it's considered the best single predictor of cardiovascular risk. GLP-1 therapy seems to improve this consistently.

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