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ForumsCardiovascular OutcomesDo the heart benefits go away if I stop taking it? — looking for input Page 7

Do the heart benefits go away if I stop taking it? — looking for input

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jason_paloalto
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Feb 12, 2025 at 5:44 PM#31
TrialTracker_MD said:
NNT calculation for cardiovascular risk clinical endpoints: NNT = 1/ARR (absolute risk reduction).

Mendelian randomization evidence supporting GLP-1 pathway modulation for cardiovascular risk: genetic variants in the GLP1R gene region associated with lower BMI also show associations with reduced cardiovascular risk, confirming a causal pathway[1].

This "natural experiment" (people born with genetically higher GLP-1 signaling being leaner and healthier) provides orthogonal evidence supporting the pharmacological approach. When genetic epidemiology, clinical trials, and mechanistic studies all converge, confidence in the therapeutic approach is high.

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[1] Zheng SL, et al. Lancet Diabetes Endocrinol. 2023;11(12):869-879.
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Feb 21, 2025 at 2:05 PM#32

One thing that is still open after TrialTracker_MD’s answer:

How long did you give it before you decided it was working?

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Mar 2, 2025 at 10:21 AM#33
jason_paloalto said:
Mendelian randomization evidence supporting GLP-1 pathway modulation for cardiovascular risk: genetic variants in the GLP1R gene region associated…
jason_paloalto said:
...cardiovascular risk is just another fad...

I understand the skepticism — we've all seen "miracle" weight loss solutions come and go. But consider what makes GLP-1 agonists different:

  • Phase 3 RCTs with thousands of participants (not 20-person pilot studies)
  • Published in NEJM, JAMA, Lancet (not press releases)
  • Replicated across multiple independent research groups
  • Proven cardiovascular and renal benefits beyond weight loss
  • Biological mechanism fully characterized at the receptor level

This isn't a fad — it's a new drug class supported by the highest level of clinical evidence. The comparison to past fads is understandable but inappropriate.

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Mar 11, 2025 at 6:32 AM#34
jason_paloalto said:
Mendelian randomization evidence supporting GLP-1 pathway modulation for cardiovascular risk: genetic variants in the GLP1R gene region associated…

Agreed on the substance. I would put less weight on the timescale, because two months of anything is not enough to distinguish a trend from a wobble.

Correct me if the detail matters more than I have assumed.

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Mar 20, 2025 at 2:37 AM#35
jason_paloalto said:
Mendelian randomization evidence supporting GLP-1 pathway modulation for cardiovascular risk: genetic variants in the GLP1R gene region associated…

Bookmarking. The distinction being drawn above is the one nobody else makes. Taking it to my next appointment.

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