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How to commission independent testing — need advice

SkepticalSean Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 7:31 PM 16 replies 1,834 viewsPage 1 of 4
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SkepticalSean
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Feb 22, 2025 at 7:31 PM#1

I have a certificate reporting 99.2% purity and 6.1mg content on a vial sold as 5mg, and I cannot work out whether those two numbers are consistent or contradictory.

The four things to check on any report, in order: does it name your batch, who commissioned it, what method was used, and does it report content as well as purity. A report failing any of those is weak evidence regardless of the percentage on it.

So the question, as narrowly as I can put it: whether a purity figure and a content figure can disagree without one of them being wrong.

Tell me what I have not thought of.

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Feb 22, 2025 at 7:55 PM#2

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. They are not contradictory, they measure different things, and this is the single most common misreading of a certificate. Purity is a relative area measurement: the main peak as a percentage of total peak area in the chromatogram. Content is an absolute mass measurement against a reference standard. A vial can be 99% pure and contain 6.1mg — pure material, overfilled — or 99% pure and contain 3mg, which is pure material and a short fill. Purity tells you what fraction of what is there is the right molecule; content tells you how much of it there is. You need both, and a certificate with only purity is telling you half the story.

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Feb 22, 2025 at 8:19 PM#3
Dr.LipidDallas said:
They are not contradictory, they measure different things, and this is the single most common misreading of a certificate.

That is correct as far as it goes, and here is where it stops going. One addition: an unstated method makes a report close to uninterpretable. "99% pure" without the technique, the standard and the conditions is a claim, not a measurement.

I would rather be corrected than agreed with, if it comes to it.

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Feb 22, 2025 at 8:43 PM#4
SkepticalSean said:
I have a certificate reporting 99.2% purity and 6.1mg content on a vial sold as 5mg, and I cannot work out whether those two numbers are consistent or…

This matches mine closely enough to be worth saying so. The provenance questions are more useful than the numbers. Does the report name the batch on your vial. Is the date consistent with when that batch existed. Is it addressed to the vendor or to the person who paid for the test. Was the sample taken from general stock or supplied by the vendor. A perfect certificate for a different batch is worth nothing, and vendor-supplied samples are the most common way a genuine report ends up misleading.

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Feb 22, 2025 at 10:55 PM#5

Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads.

Community-verified vendors for certificates of analysis: I maintain a spreadsheet of Janoshik-verified test results submitted by community members. Across 64 submitted tests:

  • 85% tested at ≥98% purity
  • 10% tested at 95-98% purity
  • 5% tested at <95% purity (concerning)

The vendors with consistently high purity results are listed in the Vendor Directory. We update monthly based on new community submissions.

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