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Echocardiographic changes on GLP-1 — anyone have experience?

pete_manc_UK Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:25 PM 12 replies 2,022 viewsPage 1 of 3
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pete_manc_UK
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Apr 18, 2024 at 11:25 PM#1

Prescribed on cardiovascular grounds rather than for weight, and almost everything written for patients assumes the opposite.

Relative versus absolute is the distinction that gets lost: a 20% relative reduction on a high baseline risk is a large absolute benefit, and the same relative figure on a low baseline risk is a small one.

The question I want answered is how much of the SELECT benefit is plausibly independent of the weight loss, and whether that distinction changes anything practical.

Tell me what I have not thought of.

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Dr.SleepRoch
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Apr 19, 2024 at 12:11 AM#2
pete_manc_UK said:
Prescribed on cardiovascular grounds rather than for weight, and almost everything written for patients assumes the opposite.

Lp(a) and cardiovascular risk: a nuance that matters. Unlike most lipid markers, Lp(a) is 90%+ genetically determined and doesn't really change with weight loss or GLP-1 therapy.

My Lp(a) has remained at 48 nmol/L across all time points. If yours is elevated (>50 nmol/L), you need additional risk mitigation strategies regardless of your GLP-1 response. Don't assume your medication is covering all cardiovascular risk factors.

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Apr 19, 2024 at 12:57 AM#3
Dr.SleepRoch said:
Lp(a) and cardiovascular risk: a nuance that matters.

I'm 67 years old and want to share my perspective on cardiovascular risk as an older member of this community.

My doctor was initially hesitant because of my age, but the SELECT trial included patients up to 72 and showed consistent benefit across age groups. We started at the lowest dose with closer monitoring.

17 months later: down 54 lbs, off metoprolol, A1C from 8.8% to 5.5%. My cardiologist is thrilled. cardiovascular risk is absolutely relevant for older adults — don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

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Apr 19, 2024 at 1:43 AM#4
pete_manc_UK said:
Prescribed on cardiovascular grounds rather than for weight, and almost everything written for patients assumes the opposite.

This is my experience too, for whatever a second data point is worth.

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Apr 19, 2024 at 6:01 AM#5

Clinical perspective, offered as context rather than as advice.

6 month update on cardiovascular risk: down 45 lbs, off blood pressure meds, A1C normalized. Genuinely life-changing.

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