Jul 18, 2025 at 12:10 AM#21
Following on from lisa_labSD — and this may be the naive question:
How long did you give it before you decided it was working?
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Jul 19, 2025 at 9:02 PM#22
BethLabQueen said:There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.
I read this differently from BethLabQueen, on substance rather than tone. The counter-case has not been addressed. Somebody upthread described the situation that does not fit, and the thread moved on rather than engaging with it, which is the failure mode this board is supposed to avoid.
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Jul 21, 2025 at 5:53 PM#23
BethLabQueen said:There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.
Agreed, with the usual condition: that holds for the average and this board is a collection of individuals. A population claim and a personal prediction are different things and get quoted interchangeably.
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Browse GL BiochemJul 23, 2025 at 2:43 PM#24
BethLabQueen said:There is a difference between no evidence and evidence of no effect, and this subject is one where the two get swapped freely in both directions.
Genuinely useful, thank you. I had the facts and not the framework. Adding it to my notes with a link back to this thread.
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Jul 25, 2025 at 11:32 AM#25
Adding the clinical framing, because it changes how the question reads. Order of operations matters more than any single choice here: establish a baseline, change one thing, wait long enough for it to express itself, then measure again under the same conditions.
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