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MASH biomarker panel — looking for input

tammy_FL Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 3:46 PM 31 replies 2,203 viewsPage 1 of 7
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tammy_FL
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Apr 16, 2025 at 3:46 PM#1

Posting this because the summary going around does not say what the paper says, and the difference matters for how people here are using it.

The single most useful discipline is bringing the whole panel to a clinician rather than one flagged value. One out-of-range result in isolation generates anxiety and unnecessary tests; the same result next to the trend and the rest of the panel usually generates a shrug.

Where I think it is weakest: the population was selected and supported in ways a real cohort is not, so I would read the effect size as a ceiling rather than an expectation.

What I am trying to establish is what actually belongs on a baseline panel, as opposed to the enormous list that gets pasted around here. Numbers rather than impressions, if you have them.

Note on sourcing:
Figures above are from the primary publication rather than the press summary. If a number here disagrees with one you have, post yours and we will work out which of us is reading a secondary source.
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Apr 16, 2025 at 3:53 PM#2
tammy_FL said:
The single most useful discipline is bringing the whole panel to a clinician rather than one flagged value.

Agreeing with tammy_FL, and the qualification matters more than the agreement. Quarterly for the first year is convention rather than evidence, and it is defensible for a simple reason: it is roughly the interval over which HbA1c becomes informative again, since it reflects about three months of glycaemia. After the first year, and once doses are stable, annual is reasonable unless something specific is being followed.

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Apr 16, 2025 at 4:00 PM#3
tammy_FL said:
The single most useful discipline is bringing the whole panel to a clinician rather than one flagged value.

Pushing back on tammy_FL here. I would drop the "get everything" instinct further than this thread does. Every extra test is another chance at a false positive, and incidental findings have their own cost in scans, biopsies and worry.

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Apr 16, 2025 at 4:07 PM#4

This one has a reasonably settled answer, so here it is. A defensible baseline is short: HbA1c and fasting glucose, a lipid panel with ApoB if you can get it, ALT and AST, creatinine with eGFR, TSH, ferritin and B12, and a full blood count. That set catches the things that change, the things that explain symptoms, and the things that alter the prescribing decision. Almost everything else on the long circulating lists is either invariant, uninterpretable without a specific question, or an incidental finding waiting to cause an unnecessary workup.

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Apr 16, 2025 at 4:44 PM#5
Dr.KarenChen said:
Quarterly for the first year is convention rather than evidence, and it is defensible for a simple reason: it is roughly the interval over which HbA1c…

Agreed, and ALT falling is not the same as fibrosis improving. Enzymes are a crude proxy; FIB-4 or elastography is what tells you about the thing that matters.

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